Bold and Blunt with Cheryl Chumley

Deep State Surveillance is real

An honor to be on Cheryl’s show! Cheryl is a good friend, we go to the same church, and she is one of the first I turned to when I realized I had colleagues spying on candidate Trump. We go over the mass surveillance initiative I helped stand up in 2007 - 2014 which I describe in “War Against The Deep State”.

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